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- From: nunu@server.indo.net.id (Edwin Nugroho)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: NLE on AMIGA VS PC (LOW COST)
- Date: 1 Apr 1996 15:03:58 GMT
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- ubject : Low Budget NLE on AMIGA and PC
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- (sorry English Language is'nt my native language)
- I am an amiga user, (A1200, 2000 and 500) but also a PC user (pentium class)
- My work related to video work, i am also consultant for Several Production
- House, Multimedia Developer (For Presentation) on my country.
- I know very well about the capability from Amiga Computer, i usually doing
- some animation rendered on Imagine then playback it direct from Harddisk using
- overscan lores-laced Ham8 using Clarissa, i got a very good result.
- These animations then
- directly recorded on BETACAM via G-LOCK (Genlock), using Composite out,
- where I feed video in with broadcast quality video sync.
- I got no trouble with this set-up .
- From this setup (A1200+Glock+CSA12GaugeAccelerator+HDMaxtor 850 MB)
- i got data transfer rate of more than 2.2 MB/second (Constant !!).
- (what a great machine, great OS , BTW my harddisk are only IDE type)
-
- Then there is a friend of mine (Video maker, Video titling using AMIGA500 +
- Genlock, got a very good result just using A500+HD+accelerator+Rendale
- Genlock).
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- my friend wants to upgrade their system, so it capable to do NLE stuff.
- then i remember VLAB motion on AMIGA, i know that the MOVIELAB software
- from VLAB-motion ver 3, can do 3D effect (of course it got to be rendered)
- but for cutting, simple transition it more than enough, I even heard that
- just using A3000-25 + VLABmotion+ Very FAST HARDDISK the JPEG QUALITY
- can be 75 percent, hey A3000-25 is like 386DX on PC, if this baby could do
- this it must be outstanding.
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- So I told him for using VLAB-Motion system. Then there is trouble, how we
- ordered this stuff (hey, I live in Indonesia/Asia, there is no Amiga dealer
- here, i myself, and around 100 users around Indonesia got to order
- Amiga+peripheral directly from UK/USA),
- but my friends need the systems imediately, because
- if we want VLAB-motion system, we also need A3000 or A4000T,
- so i cange my mind, then i remember about NLE card for PC, like FPS60 from
- FAST or Q-motion 100 from Quadrant, i have read about this system from
- magazine and internet,
- their recomendation are PEntium class machine + 16 MB or RAM
- because in my country PEntium based computer are usually cheap, so i told
- him we can build a NLE system based on Pentium Class machine, so i ordered
- Q-motion, and buy Pentium class machine + PCI NCR SCSI + SEagate SCSI2FAST
- HD+ 16 MB EdoRAM + Original Pentium clock at 150 MHZ, total my friend,
- invest around US$3600, with WIN95 installed.
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- Everything seems to work, then i check the harddisk speed, hey outstanding
- result : Data Transfer Rate for Reading = 14 MB/Second , Writing = 6 MB/Second
- WOW, i think. Then i grab live video using Q-motion using 1 MB/second
- transfer seting for 10 second , it works, and good, but the quality are below
- S-VHS, then we grab using 2 MB/Second for 10 second, and it droping 10 frames
- i am upset,
- then using direct to memory capture, 0 droping frame, WOW.
- the quality aproaching S-VHS, then i want to capture 1 minutes live video
- it droping more than 100 frames, hah why ? (I am very very upset)
- Hey WIN95, supposed to be good at multitasking, but look at the result
- even USING 16MB, pentium 150 MHZ, SCSI2FAST, PCI SCSI i can't grab using
- more than 2 MB/second, i am very-very upset, i know maybe i have to fine
- tune the WIN95, actually i have already fine tune it, by disable write behind
- disable read ahead caching, and defragmented target drive for capture,
- it still produce the same result. My Friend Using the same setup but using
- FPS60 from FAST and the result are about the same, only a litle bit more it
- can capture using data transfer max 2.3 MB/second.
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- And Using ADOBE Premiere, to render 3D effect on Pentium 150, take ages
- to finish, for example to render PAGE PEEL effect for Transition A to B for
- 7second, take almost 10 minutes or more for FULL field on Hires Lace Overscan
- hey, Adorage on A1200-030/50 take almost identical (a bit longer) although
- the effect not identical, but 3d effect too, so i think A1200-060/50 must
- be real FAST (considered the efficient OS->AMIGA OS).
-
- Now i know, for my other clients ( PC and APPLE MAC user) and around 5 Video
- maker and for Presentation Purposes, i will be advised them to using AMIGA
- system, and for low budget NLE i will advised them to using Amiga system with
- VLAB MOTION (low budget but high quality), even if AMIGA only has 8 MB of
- RAM and SCSI2 drive + 16 bit bus, it capable to produce more than a system i
- described above (Pentium 150 MHZ, PCI SCSI2FAST, 64 bit Tseng, 16 MB
- EDORAM, 512 KB cache burst pipeline)
- and for presentation purposes i will advised them to using A1200 HD+
- accelerator+ SCALA MM (Magic bundle+ accelerator) if they want to produce
- smooth movement/transition for presentation purposes VS jerky movement on
- other systems.
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- And i am also advised one of my client that will be producing 2D animation
- Cartoon (Cartonn Series) for One of National Television Station on my country
- to using AMIGA hey, i think DPAINT4 or PPaint4 is more than enough for cartoon
- project, after all we have the artist, we don't need super sophisticatedSoftware
- on PC or MAC that need 32 MB of RAM, that has morphing capability, produce 16
- Million colour + alpha channel, we need a simple and capable program, so
- artist could understand, we will exploit the artist capability by using their
- Creativity not the computer.
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- Edwin Nugroho
- AMIGA Owner since 1992 (A1200, A2000, A500) (I'm still amazed )
- PC Owner since 1991 (486 DX and Pentium) (Good Processor but let down by it's
- OS)
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